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Re: hubei vs. rest of China
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2020, 07:38:44 am »
 Or why else could it be worse in Wuhan ? [/quote]

Wuhan/Hubei is special as it is the only location so far where the epidemic has already reached the "overwhelming of public health system phase" (following about 4 weeks of unfortunately unmitigated community transmission). People with any other than life threatening symptoms cannot be treated (and not tested) any more. So we see a biased sample towards the most sever cases in Wuhan. 

Other places in china have a head start of about 2 weeks (and about 3-6 weeks in other countries). The other Chinese cities did well in utilizing the head start for preparedness, case testing and isolation.  This something we should learn from them now.

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Re: hubei vs. rest of China
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2020, 01:17:23 am »
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did they well because they were better preparing or just because they were
not being overwhelmed ?

With Wuhan's CFR 2.2 times higher than in the rest of Hubei
(since weeks now) I'd assume 2.2 times more cases in Wuhan,
silent, unconfirmed  which would have been confirmed ones in other cities.

Deaths in China outside Hubei are increasing now in the last days


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oops, I accidently had edited the post above instead of replying.
Good that I still had the original , I hope it's correctly restored now
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Re: hubei vs. rest of China
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2020, 09:19:36 am »
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did they well because they were better preparing or just because they were
not being overwhelmed ?

They were not overwhelmed because they were prepared.

It was wise to immediately close schools, workplaces, public transport etc. even at a time when they had only imported cases from Wuhan.

Its my concern that gouvernments outside of china are now in the same position resp. "import from china" than the other chinese Provinces were with respect to "import from Wuhan."
 
We must not miss this window of opportunity. But here in Germany, for example, the only thing they do is distributing flyers at the airports  >:(





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Re: hubei vs. rest of China
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2020, 09:35:44 am »
most were visiting family for new yesr.
I don't think it was school closures, workplaces, public transport,
That was tried earlier with not much effect.

More likely the massive screening of contacts.

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Re: hubei vs. rest of China
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2020, 10:26:52 pm »

In order to resolutely implement the decision-making and deployment of the Party Central Committee and the State Council, to fully support Hubei Province in the prevention and control of new-type coronavirus pneumonia, and to resolutely win the fight against epidemic prevention and control, the National Health and Health Commission has made a national effort to gather high-quality resources and establish interprovincial counterparts to support Hubei Provincial mechanism of medical treatment of new coronavirus pneumonia in cities other than Wuhan.
The National Health and Health Commission fully considers the current situation of the epidemic situation, human resource reserves, and medical resource gaps in the aided cities. Based on the support of the original medical team from other provinces, the overall arrangement is based on the principle of unchanged relations and supplementary needs. 19 Each province supports 16 cities, counties, and counties in Hubei except Wuhan. The following support relationships are identified: Chongqing, Heilongjiang, Xiaogan, Shandong, Hunan, Huanggang, Jiangxi, Suizhou, and Guangdong. 3. Hainan Province supports Jingzhou City, Liaoning Province, Ningxia Hui Autonomous Region supports Xiangyang City, Jiangsu Province supports Huangshi City, Fujian Province supports Yichang City, Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region, Zhejiang Province supports Jingmen City, Shanxi Province supports Xiantao, Tianmen, Qianjiang 3 counties Level cities, Guizhou Province supports Ezhou City, Yunnan Province supports Xianning City, Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region supports Shiyan City, Tianjin City supports Enshi Tujia and Miao Autonomous Prefecture, and Hebei Province supports Shennongjia Forest District.
The National Health and Health Commission requires all supporting provinces to effectively improve their political positions, and to negotiate with the aided cities to determine support arrangements. Based on solving the local medical and health resource gap, a support team composed of medical, management, and disease control professionals is formed The combination of on-site support and telemedicine services, and multiple countermeasures to carry out counterpart support work. At the same time, we must take into account the needs of epidemic prevention and control in the region, work together to improve medical treatment, and strive to improve the rate of treatment, cure, reduce infection and mortality .

(Source: National Health and Health Commission website)
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Re: hubei vs. rest of China
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2020, 12:05:13 pm »
money is always a problem , but you said "cheap"

It could be worth it in some countries.

The problem is people are infective before having symptoms and maybe
also before symptoms can be detected.

I think it must be made illegal to infect others carelessly or to not report
a risk-level and isolate/protect if required.
See China.
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Re: hubei vs. rest of China
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2020, 06:42:05 am »
ahh, sorry. I'm so used to edit, that apparently I
accidentally edited your message instead of replying

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money is always a problem , but you said "cheap"

It could be worth it in some countries.

The problem is people are infective before having symptoms and maybe
also before symptoms can be detected.

I think it must be made illegal to infect others carelessly or to not report
a risk-level and isolate/protect if required.
See China.
Last Edit: Today at 01:01:40 am by gsgs