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expert opinions / end-Feb,Germany
« on: March 26, 2020, 01:02:20 pm »
 
Feb27 ,  Kekulé:
"In Deutschland haben wir derzeit nur einzelne Infektionen,
hier lässt sich die Lage noch einfangen"
Wie schlimm sie für uns in Deutschland wird, hängt davon ab, wie wir jetzt reagieren.

Feb25 , Kekule , DLF
Spahn schätzt den Ernst der Lage nicht richtig ein
Einreisekontrollen und „flächendeckende Screenings“

Feb28 , Spahn
Zu Panik gibt es aber wohl keinen Grund: „Das Risiko für die Bevölkerung im Allgemeinen
ist zwar gestiegen, aber für den Einzelnen ist es weiterhin mäßig bis gering“

Feb.28 , Johannes Wimmer , Humanmediziner
Schon vor einem Monat in der Sendung zu Gast und warnte vor einer Ausbreitung
auch in Europa. Damals von Spahn, noch belächelt.
"Es wurden einfach zu viele Chancen vertan."

Feb.28 , Drosten
Das ist ein Suchen nach Problemen, wo keine sind.“ zu fragen, ob Deutschland vorbereitet sei
ist eine reine Energieverschwendung
Wir müssen uns eher fragen, worauf wir vorbereitet sein wollen (Monate oder Jahre)
Es wird schlimm werden“,  Anschuldigungen in Richtung Politik und Behörden bringen aber nichts
 Einen zugelassenen Impfstoff gegen das Coronavirus werde es übrigens frühestens
im Sommer 2021 geben: „Bestimmte Dinge lassen sich einfach nicht beschleunigen.“

32
actual epidemic charts / deaths/cases
« on: March 25, 2020, 05:03:02 am »
2020/03/25 , only countries with more than 200 cases

deaths per 10000 cases , cases , country

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986,69176,Italy
 865,  266,Iraq
 802,  686,Indonesia
 779,24811,Iran
 739,  230,Algeria
 711,42058,Spain
 634,  552,Philippines
 522, 8077,UK
 519,  366,Egypt
 496, 5560,Netherlands
 493,22302,France
 404,81218,China
 398,  226,Hungary
 360, 1140,Japan
 286, 4269,Belgium
 250, 1082,Ecuador
 245,  695,Greece
 233, 1892,Turkey
 209, 2201,Brazil
 192,  521,India
 187, 1713,Denmark
 174,  345,Panama
 164, 2016,Sweden
 149,  201,Bulgaria
 144,  762,Romania
 142,54428,USA
 140, 2362,Portugal
 140,  712,DiamondPrincess
 138, 9137,SouthKorea
 133,  301,Argentina
 132, 9877,Switzerland
 132,  304,Lebanon
 122,  245,DominicanRepublic
 120,  416,Peru
 111,  901,Poland
 109,  367,Mexico
 103,  387,HongKong
 100, 2792,Canada
  98,  306,Colombia
  95, 1796,Malaysia
  93,  215,Taiwan
  81,  248,UAE
  77,  392,Bahrain
  73, 1099,Luxembourg
  68,  887,Pakistan
  68,  442,Slovenia
  57, 4876,Austria
  53, 1329,Ireland
  48,33416,Germany
  43,  934,Thailand
  36,  558,Singapore
  35, 2868,Norway
  35, 2318,Australia
  26,  382,Croatia
  25, 2030,Israel
  22,  922,Chile
  20,  495,Russia
  14,  700,Finland
   8, 1289,CzechRepublic
   0,  709,SouthAfrica
   0,  648,Iceland
   0,  526,Qatar
   0,  369,Estonia
   0,  249,Serbia
   0,  235,Armenia
   0,  205,NewZealand

33
actual epidemic charts / Iceland
« on: March 21, 2020, 12:05:13 am »
https://www.covid.is/data

Iceland, Mar14-Mar19
deCODE-tests,956,1416,855,460,903,900
deCODE-positive,0,9,10,5,8,15
NUHI-tests,323,119,291,545,420,456
NUHI-positive,24,11,10,47,68,60
deCODE : 0.7% positive , NUHI : 9.1% positive
~1% of the population infected in Europe-Italy and USA ,

last 3 days : 28,2263 , 175,1421  --> 10fold underreporting with 12% positivie-rate

deCODE = 0.6% positive  , 2020/03/30

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Iceland


34
expert opinions / March 19, expert prediction survey
« on: March 19, 2020, 04:58:18 am »
https://works.bepress.com/mcandrew/2/

18  US-experts

1. Experts predict a three-fold rise in reported cases in the US over the next week.
2. The average probability that experts assigned to a “second wave” of COVID
occurring in the fall months (Aug.-Dec.) of 2020 was 73%.
3. Experts anticipate 19 US states will report more than 100 cases of COVID-19
within one week (80% uncertainty interval: 10-36 states).
4. Experts believe that only 12% (80% uncertainty interval: 4-34%) of all SARS-CoV-2 infections
(symptomatic and asymptomatic) in the US were reported by COVID Tracker as of Sunday,
March 15th. This implies that as of the beginning of this week there were between
10,329 and 87,800 undiagnosed infections of SARS-CoV-2 in the US. 
5. Experts believe COVID-19 will be responsible for around 195,000 deaths
(approximate 80% uncertainty interval: 19,000-1,200,000) in the US by the end of 2020.

35
studies,summaries / short summaries
« on: March 17, 2020, 02:56:15 am »
https://twitter.com/AndyBiotech/status/1239531565023191040
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
 > origin, SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.10.20033944v2
 > mutated towards milder,more transmissable ?
 > at positions 8824 and 28247. ZJ01 were both T at these two sites, becoming the only TT type
 > currently identified in the world.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00741-x
 > what measures in China were the most successful
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973#.XnGGKWVPq0Q
 > on surfaces

more:  https://twitter.com/medrxivpreprint
more:  https://wuhanpneumonia.com/wuhan-coronavirus-genomics/
reviews : https://twitter.com/SinaiImmunol/status/1241526700741144576


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.17.20037713v1
 > about serology
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.11.987222v1.full.pdf
 > 382-nt deletion in Singapore
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/03/13/science.abb3221
 > Despite being less infectious than symptomatic/identified cases, undocumented cases
 > contribute more to overall transmission than symptomatic cases due to their hidden nature.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0822-7
 > risk of infection increased with age
 > symptomatic case fatality risk (the probability of dying after developing symptoms)
 > of COVID-19 in Wuhan was 1.4% (0.9–2.1%),
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3551767&fbclid=IwAR3EhZ1M2YPg454BUHQ0NHqYdOTbFCmPDFF4mlSILyyyxHQwiVQERkCvxjY
 > One degree Celsius increase in temperature and one percent increase in relative
 > humidity lower R by 0.0383 and 0.0224, respectively.

---------------------------------
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.20.20040055v1.full.pdf
Findings The application of all four social distancing interventions: school closure, workplace
non-attendance, increased case isolation, and community contact reduction is highly effective in
flattening the epidemic curve, reducing the maximum daily case numbers, and lengthening
outbreak duration. These were also found to be effective even after 10 weeks delay from index
case arrivals. The most effective single intervention was found to be increasing case isolation, to
100% of children and 90% of adults.

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weather :  https://news.yale.edu/2020/03/30/hopes-pandemic-respite-spring-may-depend-upon-what-happens-indoors
cold dry air helps SARS2

36
actual epidemic charts / Italy
« on: March 15, 2020, 06:03:39 am »
Italy regions map : http://magictour.free.fr/italy.GIF

Aosta   ,Lombardia,Trentino
Piedmont,          Veneto  ,Friuli
Liguria ,
Emilia Romagna
Tuscana,Umbria,Marche
Lazio,Abruzzo,Molise
Campania,Basilicata,Apulia
Calabria
Sizilia
Sardegna

quarantine of 15M on Mar08 , whole Italy on Mar09 , the next 17 days went as below.

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daily new cases ,
-----,00093,00125,00205,00238,00240,00566,Mar01
00342,00466,00587,00769,00778,01246,01492,Mar08
01797,00977,02313,02651,02547,03497,03590,Mar15
03233,03526,04207,05322,05986,06557,05560, Mar22
04789,05249,05210,06153,05959,05974,05217, Mar29

tests :
 03889,06935,12393,12857,11477,11682,15729,Mar15
13063,10695,16884,17236,24109,26336,25180,Mar21
17066,21496,27481,36615,33019,35447,24504, Mar29

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TOTALE       ,{147},462,140,186,206,221,299,228,247,329,249,308,248,248,220,280,244,189,168,180,168,212,    daily positive rate
Lombardia    ,226,799,239,358,370,345,420,491,430,544,589,665,482,340,437,588,562,330,420,295,318,325
North        ,156,492,199,188,261,250,336,248,266,375,290,336,287,254,268,315,254,215,184,199,197,230
South        ,067,181,022,161,056,087,121,121,139,164,083,200,118,205,095,156,186,107,106,112,091,150
124,092,071,061,151,146,161,125,146,109,120

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positive-rate , daily
ValleDAosta  ,219,230, 90,300,368, 14,333,000,842,279,329,409,237,700,772,195, 85, 50,333,897,460,730  ,ValleDAosta
Lombardia    ,226,799,239,358,370,345,420,491,430,544,589,665,482,340,437,588,562,330,420,295,318,325  ,Lombardia
Bolzano      ,250,+38,+38,948, 54,102,148, 85,152,122,122, 82,129, 97,105,125,134,550, 43,125,163,108  ,Bolzano
Trento       ,100,256,143,195,454,221,268,+38,+38,  9,152,250,262,+38,436,690,154,278,154,291,178,228  ,Trento
Piemonte     ,220,223,148,842,176,150, 57,342,333,398,456,442,471,400,334,513,342,429,364,337,320,210  ,Piemonte
Veneto       , 42,947,163, 35,177, 93,265, 42,120,542, 95, 70,118,134,125,111, 87,105, 55,145, 75, 79  ,Veneto
FriuliVG     , 57,103, 89, 21, 77,165,193,483, 27, 74,+38,152, 62,135,104, 84, 56,151, 68, 83,134, 65  ,FriuliVG
Liguria      ,194,147,385,160,536,264,383,430,500,346,270,394,363,421,331,476,422,309,373,258,337,275  ,Liguria
EmiliaRomagna,271,366,250,179,216,266,303,223,411,289,624,238,312,190,249,308,308,177,175,142,153,+38  ,EmiliaRomagna
Toscana      ,102,105,100,242,121,119,293,281,109,228,315,119,203,145,195,313,128,125, 82, 80,196,155  ,Toscana
Umbria       ,154,133,116,112,152,101,180,165,164,143,179,246,174,163,139,131,129,103,127,115, 95, 82  ,Umbria
Marche       ,265,226,379,388,450,427,507,607,390,+38,222,419,370,301,411,378,373,296,247,187,214,338  ,Marche
Lazio        , 45,+38,  8,+38, 24, 85, 94, 78, 88,792, 68,+38, 67,+38, 48,298,+38, 75, 92,149, 68,355  ,Lazio
Abruzzo      ,104,175,109,+38, 82, 54, 83,133,342,341, 92,343,223,235,170,254, 41,180,262,114,129,220  ,Abruzzo
Molise       ,120,  0, 76,125,  0,200,  0,  0,800, 83, 50,276,+38,478, 60,+38,150,  0,333,150,144, 36  ,Molise
Campania     ,103,+38, 43,115,142,341,196,220,220,357,+38,223,322,157,185,103,154,145, 80,113,137,140  ,Campania
Basilicata   , 32, 83,153,142,+38,+38,+38, 18, 45,250,+38,109,166,177,123,169, 41,185,111, 81,185,121  ,Basilicata
Puglia       , 63,172,145,111, 75,138,159,190,+38,103,120,154,138,113,204,199,169,100, 91,145, 97,105  ,Puglia
Calabria     , 79, 33, 10,133,179,238,106, 46,143, 95, 40, 59,109, 77, 61, 46, 65, 55, 48,104, 71, 81  ,Calabria
Sicilia      , 67, 22, 67, 87,113, 31,173, 90,124, 91,119, 86,134,197,200,114,157,129,126, 60, 54,140  ,Sicilia
Sardegna     , 73,222, 52,215,105, 19,153,361,163, 48,128,361,150, 96, 85,120,213,131,117,105,221, 37  ,Sardegna
TOTALE       ,147,462,140,186,206,221,299,228,247,329,249,308,248,248,220,280,244,189,168,180,168,212  ,TOTALE
North        ,156,492,199,188,261,250,336,248,266,375,290,336,287,254,268,315,254,215,184,199,197,230  ,North
South        , 67,181, 22,161, 56, 87,121,121,139,164, 83,200,118,205, 95,156,186,107,106,112, 91,150  ,South


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deaths per Million population , daily
ValleDAosta  ,   0,   0,   0,   7,   0,   0,   0,   0,   7,   0,   7,  23,   7,   7,   7,  23,  55,  39,  31,  71,  31,  15
Lombardia    ,  26,   6,  13,  14,  12,  14,   7,  25,  20,  21,  31,  20,  37,  54,  35,  31,  39,  29,  38,  53,  53,  41
Bolzano      ,   0,   0,   0,   0,   9,   9,   9,  19,   9,  19,   9,  48,  29,  29,  29,  58,  87,  48,  48, 116,  38,   0
Trento       ,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   3,   0,   0,   0,   4,   0,  13,   6,   5,  13,  16,  11,  14,  16,   8
Piemonte     ,   1,   1,   0,   0,   1,   4,   2,   5,   6,   5,   4,   4,   7,   6,  10,   7,  13,  17,   0,  27,  11,  15
Veneto       ,   3,   0,   1,   0,   0,   2,   2,   1,   1,   2,   2,   4,   3,   3,   4,   4,   4,   8,   5,   5,   9,   6
FriuliVG     ,   0,   0,   1,   2,   1,   1,   2,   0,   6,   6,   0,   4,   1,   3,   4,   5,   8,   4,   1,   3,   9,   9
Liguria      ,   3,   0,   0,   0,   1,   3,   6,   3,  10,   6,   8,  11,  18,  21,  12,  26,  12,  14,  16,  32,  17,  12
EmiliaRomagna,  12,   3,   3,   6,   7,  12,   8,   9,  13,  10,  14,  16,  24,  16,  22,  17,  20,  20,  21,  20,  17,  22
Toscana      ,   0,   0,   0,   0,   1,   0,   0,   0,   1,   0,   1,   4,   2,   6,   5,   4,   5,   3,   4,   5,   5,   4
Umbria       ,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   1,   0,   0,   0,   0,   1,   0,   5,   3,   6,   0,   3,   0,   1,   1,   7,   3
Marche       ,   4,   1,   1,   3,   2,   3,   5,   6,   7,   7,  15,  15,  14,  11,  19,  12,  18,  36,  15,  17,  18,  14
Lazio        ,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   1,   1,   0,   1,   0,   1,   2,   2,   1,   2,   1,   2
Abruzzo      ,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   1,   0,   3,   4,   3,   8,   3,   6,   4,   8,   3,   6,   9
Molise       ,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   3,   0,   0,   3,   9,   6,   0,   0,   3,   0,   0,   3,   0,   0
Campania     ,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   1,   0,   0,   1,   3,   1,   3,   1,   2,   1,   1
Basilicata   ,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   1,   0,   0,  -2,   5,   0,   1
Puglia       ,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   1,   0,   0,   0,   1,   0,   0,   0,   1,   1,   0,   4,   0,   0,   3
Calabria     ,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   1,   0,   0,   1,  -1,   1,   0,   1,   2,   1,   2
Sicilia      ,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   1,   1,   1,   1,   1,   3,   1
Sardegna     ,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   1,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   1,   1,   2,   2,   1,   0,   1,   3,   0
TOTALE       ,   6,   1,   2,   3,   3,   4,   2,   6,   5,   5,   7,   7,  10,  13,  10,   9,  12,  11,  10,  16,  14,  12
North        ,  10,   2,   4,   5,   5,   7,   4,  10,  10,   9,  13,  11,  17,  22,  18,  16,  20,  18,  17,  27,  24,  20
South        ,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   0,   1,   0,   1,   1,   1,   2,   1,   2,   1,   2,   2



by Province :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provinces_of_Italy
http://magictour.free.fr/ip-03293.GIF


(Mar20) , I'm estimating that 0.1% of the population dies in such a COVID wave
(Mar23 , 0.2% , 0.3%=3000 in Bergamo)

 > in the first fortnight of March, the number of deaths is four times higher than the
 > same period of last year”.

in USA 100000 usually die during that period, assuming 6 weeks at that level gives
an estimate of 1.2 million deaths in USA for this wave (with Bergamo conditions)

37
nCoV - discussion / how does it spread
« on: March 14, 2020, 06:11:00 am »

Some things are a bit unexpected and surprising

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/06/were-learning-a-lot-about-the-coronavirus-it-will-help-us-assess-risk/
===========================================

Transmission in China happened among family members and close contacts.
True “community spread” was less common.

Van Kerkhove said true community spread involves transmission where people get
infected in a movie theater, on the subway, or walking down the street.
There’s no way to trace back the source of infection because there’s no
connection between the infected person and the person he or she infects.
That’s not what the Chinese data show, she said.

China’s Covid-19 outbreak isn’t driven by spread in hospitals.

With this new disease, more than 2,000 health workers have become ill.
But Van Kerkhove said it seems like most of them were infected at home

China’s Covid-19 outbreak isn’t driven by spread in schools.

Even when we looked at households, we did not find a single example of a child bringing
the infection into the household and transmitting to the parents. It was the other way around,

=============================================

so, that seems to suggest that isolating suspected household members
in isolation clinics and contact-tracing is the right method.
As it will be enforced by the army in Iran now in the next 7-10 days.
As it was done in China (I think. At least in Wuhan , they gave daily numbers
 of contacts traced, people "concentrated" ; they had fever-clinics, mobile isolation points)
I'm not sure how South Korea handled this.
It isn't done in Italy, AFAIK (so far).
And it is unpopular in USA, I remember that discussion from the H5N1-forums >10 years ago.

---------------------
so, how did it transmit from household to household ?
Friends visiting ? Birthdays,weddings,funerals
From work ? Collegues, customers, coworkers, clients, conferences
Public transportation ? subway, buses, trains
Mechanics in the lodgement? repairs
Sewage, water ?
parcels,

=========================================
I'm wondering ... is it maybe exactly this isolation of suspected household members,
separating them from their family ,
which is the key to contain it ?
Part of China's success, now implemented in Iran,
so unpopular in Europe,USA.
And maybe that's the reason why it isn't being
discussed here. Why it is being avoided.
So authoritarian, so communist, so unfree.
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all the old people in Italy, how did they get it ?
Probably not from traveling, probably not from work or school.
But from household contacts. Italy is known for their grand-families
several generations in the household.

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expert opinions / March 2020
« on: March 05, 2020, 04:06:28 am »
Mar02, Lipsitch
40-70% of the world's population will become infected , 1% of [them] could die
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Mar04 , daily WHO presser, Tedros :
But at present, we see linked epidemics in several countries, where most
cases can still be traced to known contacts or clusters of cases, in, although we see
signs of community transmission in some countries.
Our view continues to be that containment of COVID-19 must be the top priority
for all countries, but at the same time, countries should be preparing for sustained
community transmission.
That’s why we’re suggesting a comprehensive approach.
With early, aggressive measures, countries can stop transmission and save lives.
# there was community transmission in China, they still got it down
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Mar.05,Ferguson
 The world's battle with coronavirus is now over,  the world 'tried very hard to stop this virus altogether'
but had failed. You can see from the statistics, the number of countries affected that that battle
is really over
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Mar10 , Kekule
 Letalität 0.5-1% , 2 Jahre --> 250000-500000 Tote in D.
„maximale Horrorszenario“ – das nicht stimmt
fordert China-Massnahmen
https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/article206479693/Lanz-zu-Coronavirus-Moegliche-Todesfaelle-Kekule-widerspricht-Drosten.html
Mar11 , Merkel
60-70% werden sich infizieren
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Mar.20, Martin Stuermer, Deutschlandfunk
in the worst case we may get 500000 additional deaths in Germany
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Mar.19, Kekule
wir haben es vergeigt
https://www.gaborsteingart.com/podcast/https-dasmorningbriefing-podigee-io-430-neue-episode/?wp-nocache=true
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Mar10 , Kekule
 Letalität 0.5-1% , 2 Jahre --> 250000-500000 Tote in D.
„maximale Horrorszenario“ – das nicht stimmt
fordert China-Massnahmen
https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/article206479693/Lanz-zu-Coronavirus-Moegliche-Todesfaelle-Kekule-widerspricht-Drosten.html
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Mar11 , Merkel
60-70% werden sich infizieren
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Mar15 , Kekule bei "Anne Will"
Zu langsam, zu unentschlossen, Schulen zu spaet geschlossen
zwei Wochen lang maximale Schutzmaßnahmen ergreifen,
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Mar16 , Professor Jonas Schmidt-Chanasit ist Virologe am Bernhard-Nocht-Institut für
Tropenmedizin der Universität Hamburg.
Wir können die China,Korea Lösungen nicht 1:1 übernehmen
wir müssen unseren eigenen Weg finden.
Beispielsweise leben dort in den Großstädten viel mehr Menschen auf engstem Raum,
der öffentliche Nahverkehr spielt eine andere Rolle. Zugleich haben wir in Deutschland
28.000 Betten auf Intensivstationen, das ist im internationalen Vergleich sehr viel.
Wir können also mehr Infektionen zulassen. Und die Situation in Europa ist auch eine
ganz andere als zum Beispiel die einer kleinen Insel wie Taiwan.
 Mit einem kurzen Sprint ist es nicht getan. Wir müssen uns auf einen Marathon
einstellen und den auf eine Weise bestreiten, die zu unserem Land passt.
Kekules Position löst aber nicht nur bei mir Kopfschütteln aus.
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Mar12 , Drosten
raet eher ab von Schulschliessungen
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Mar25 , Ferguson
the [UK-] coronavirus death toll is unlikely to exceed 20,000 and could be much lower,
[I am] “reasonably confident” that Britain’s health system can handle the burden of
treating coronavirus patients.
“There will be some areas that are extremely stressed, but we are reasonably
confident — which is all we can be at the current time — that at the national
level we will be within capacity,”
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Mar26, Christopher J.L. Murray Professor, IHME Director, Chair, Department of Health Metrics Sciences
We estimate that there will be a total of 81,114 deaths (95% UI 38,242 to 162,106)
from COVID-19 over the next 4 months in the US.
http://www.healthdata.org/research-article/forecasting-covid-19-impact-hospital-bed-days-icu-days-ventilator-days-and-deaths
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Mar14 , prediction of the peak of the epidemic and the maximum daily number of cases
in Italy April 9, 12500
in France April 14, 16000
in Germany May 1. 350000
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.21.20040154v1.full.pdf
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news / Xi Jinping s Rede an die Welt
« on: February 23, 2020, 03:29:12 am »
[Xinhuanet] Xi Jinping gibt das Siegesvertrauen an die Welt weiter

[Während der Studie] Seit dem Ausbruch der neuen Kronenpneumonie-Epidemie haben einige nationale Führer und Leiter internationaler Organisationen China ihr Beileid und ihre Unterstützung bei der Bekämpfung der Epidemie auf verschiedene Weise ausgesprochen. Im Gespräch mit Präsident Xi Jinping stellten sie die aktuelle Situation der Epidemieprävention und -kontrolle vor und drückten ihr Vertrauen aus, die Epidemie zu gewinnen. Die ursprüngliche Markenspalte "Workshop" der Xinhua News Agency "Learning in Progress" hat einen Artikel veröffentlicht, den Sie interpretieren können.
Am 20. sprach Präsident Xi Jinping bei der Ernennung mit dem südkoreanischen Präsidenten Moon Jae-in und dem pakistanischen Premierminister Imran Khan.
Xi Jinping betonte, dass die chinesische Regierung seit dem Ausbruch der neuen Kronenpneumonie-Epidemie großen Wert darauf gelegt habe, sich zu einer Einheit zusammenzuschließen, und die umfassendsten, strengsten und gründlichsten Präventions- und Kontrollmaßnahmen ergriffen habe. Nach harter Arbeit hat sich die Situation der Epidemie positiv verändert.
Da die Epidemie die Welt betrifft, drücken die Führer einiger Länder und Leiter internationaler Organisationen China ihr Beileid und ihre Unterstützung bei der Bekämpfung der Epidemie auf verschiedene Weise aus.
Seit Ende Januar hat Xi Jinping den Generaldirektor der Weltgesundheitsorganisation Tan Desai getroffen, um den kambodschanischen Premierminister Hun Sen und den saudischen König Salman, US-Präsident Trump, den indonesischen Präsidenten Joko und den Emir von Katar, Tamim, zu besuchen Ausländische Staats- und Regierungschefs wie der malaysische Premierminister Mahathir, der britische Premierminister Johnson und der französische Präsident Macron sprachen am Telefon und stellten die aktuelle Situation der Epidemieprävention und -kontrolle vor, zeigten Chinas Haltung gegenüber der Epidemie und vermittelten Chinas festes Vertrauen in die Bekämpfung der Epidemie.
Mit allen Herzen der Nation begann China einen Volkskrieg. Am 28. Januar traf sich Xi Jinping mit dem Generaldirektor der Weltgesundheitsorganisation, Tan Desai. Er betonte, dass das chinesische Volk derzeit einen ernsthaften Kampf gegen den Ausbruch der durch das neue Coronavirus verursachten Lungenentzündung führt. Das Leben und die körperliche Gesundheit der Menschen stehen immer an erster Stelle, und die Prävention und Bekämpfung von Epidemien ist derzeit die wichtigste Aufgabe.
Bei einem Treffen mit dem kambodschanischen Premierminister Hun Sen am 5. Februar betonte Xi Jinping, dass die chinesische Partei und Regierung die gründlichsten und strengsten Präventions- und Kontrollmaßnahmen auf verantwortungsvolle Weise gegenüber dem chinesischen Volk und der internationalen Gemeinschaft ergriffen haben.
China begann den Volkskrieg, um die neue Kronenpneumonie-Epidemie zu verhindern und zu kontrollieren. Das Parteizentralkomitee mit Genosse Xi Jinping im Mittelpunkt ist das "oberste Kommando" des Volkskrieges.
Generalsekretär Xi Jinping hat mehrere Sitzungen des Ständigen Ausschusses des Politbüros der Kommunistischen Partei Chinas geleitet, umfassende Vorkehrungen getroffen, um die Prävention und Kontrolle der Epidemie zu stärken, ein zentrales Führungsteam für die Bekämpfung von Epidemien, eine einheitliche Führung, ein einheitliches Kommando eingerichtet und die lokale Arbeit zur Prävention und Kontrolle von Epidemien klassifiziert und geleitet. Wichtige Voraussetzungen für den Gewinn des Stolpersteins zur Verhütung und Bekämpfung von Epidemien wurden rechtzeitig gestellt.
Auf Befehl des "Obersten Kommandos" stürmten verschiedene Partei-, Regierungs-, Militär- und Gruppenagenturen, Unternehmen und andere Institutionen in Aktion. Ein medizinisches Team nach dem anderen zog schnell nach Wuhan, und Unmengen von "epidemischen" Kriegsmaterialien strömten nach Hubei. Die strengsten Quarantänemaßnahmen wurden in einer Stadt nach der anderen durchgeführt, und die große Anzahl von Kadern und Massen hat auch gehandelt ... Die große Anzahl von medizinischem Personal hat ihr Leben vergessen, um gegen die Zeit zu kämpfen, um Leben zu retten. Die Nation als Ganzes kämpfte in Einheit, und der allgemeine Kampf um die Prävention und Kontrolle von Epidemien findet im riesigen China statt. Die Schlacht am Boden ist weit verbreitet.
"Seit dem Ausbruch hat China als Nation gehandelt und das ganze Land hat mit aller Kraft reagiert. Es hat die gründlichsten und strengsten Präventions- und Kontrollmaßnahmen ergriffen und einen Volkskrieg gegen die Prävention und Kontrolle von Epidemien begonnen." Am 6. Februar haben Xi Jinping und der saudische König Saab Lehman wies am Telefon darauf hin.
Am 11. Februar wiesen Xi Jinping und der indonesische Präsident Joko am Telefon darauf hin, dass wir das System zur Durchführung des Volkskrieges gegen die Prävention und Kontrolle von Epidemien genutzt und die strengsten und gründlichsten Präventions- und Kontrollmaßnahmen ergriffen haben, um positive Ergebnisse zu erzielen.
Am 18. Februar sprachen Xi Jinping und der französische Präsident Macron erneut am Telefon und betonten, dass China seit dem Ausbruch vollständig mobilisiert und eingesetzt, als Ganzes vereint und einen Volkskrieg begonnen habe, um die Epidemie zu verhindern und zu kontrollieren. China verfügt über eine starke Mobilisierungsfähigkeit und umfassende Stärke sowie über Erfahrung in der Reaktion auf Ereignisse im Bereich der öffentlichen Gesundheit. Es wird mit Sicherheit den Kampf gegen die Prävention und Kontrolle von Epidemien gewinnen. Derzeit erzielen verschiedene Präventions- und Kontrollmaßnahmen positive Ergebnisse.
Um diesen "Krieg" zu gewinnen, hat China das Vertrauen und die Fähigkeit, die neue Kronenpneumonie-Epidemie zu bekämpfen, die derzeit für die chinesische Regierung oberste Priorität hat.
"Mit der harten Arbeit der Mehrheit des medizinischen Personals und der Menschen aller ethnischen Gruppen im ganzen Land hat sich die Situation der Epidemie positiv verändert. Wir sind nicht nur zuversichtlich, fähig und zuversichtlich, den Kampf um die Verhütung und Kontrolle der Epidemie zu gewinnen, sondern auch die Auswirkungen der Epidemie zu minimieren , Bemühen Sie sich, die diesjährigen wirtschaftlichen und sozialen Entwicklungsziele und -aufgaben zu erreichen. "Xi Jinping wies am Telefon mit dem pakistanischen Premierminister Imran Khan darauf hin.
Xi Jinping telefonierte mit Emir Tamim aus Katar und betonte, dass wir angesichts der Vereinigung des chinesischen Volkes, der institutionellen Vorteile der Konzentration auf Großveranstaltungen, einer starken materiellen und technischen Grundlage und einer reichen praktischen Erfahrung zuversichtlich, fähig und zuversichtlich sind, zu kämpfen Gewinnen Sie diesen Kampf gegen die Prävention und Kontrolle von Epidemien.
"Mit Zuversicht und Können", vermittelte Xi Jinping der Welt das feste Vertrauen Chinas, die Epidemie zu besiegen.
坚定 Das feste Vertrauen in die Bekämpfung der Epidemie beruht auf der Überlegenheit des sozialistischen Systems. „Wir können keine Grenzen setzen.“ China hat eine starke Fähigkeit zu mobilisieren, sich an ein nationales Schachspiel zu halten, die Polaritäten aller Parteien zu mobilisieren und sich auf wichtige Aufgaben zu konzentrieren. Unter der einheitlichen Führung und dem einheitlichen Kommando des Parteizentralkomitees mit Genosse Xi Jinping im Kern erfüllen verschiedene Abteilungen und Abteilungen an verschiedenen Orten ihre Aufgaben und koordinieren ihre Aktionen. Eine große Anzahl von medizinischem Personal im ganzen Land versammelte und unterstützte Wuhan schnell, die Bauherren kämpften Tag und Nacht, und die Krankenhäuser Vulcan Hill und Raytheon wurden schnell fertiggestellt und geliefert, die Volksarmee lieferte effizient Materialien zur Prävention und Kontrolle von Epidemien und wählte medizinisches Personal aus, um an der medizinischen Behandlung teilzunehmen. Das Unternehmen arbeitete Überstunden Produktion, epidemische Prävention und Kontrolle von Materialien werden landesweit versandt ... Chinas Wunder, Chinas Macht und Chinas Geschwindigkeit haben erneut weltweite Aufmerksamkeit erregt!
Das feste Vertrauen, die Epidemie zu besiegen, beruht auf dem heldenhaften chinesischen Volk. Im Kampf gegen die neue Kronenpneumonie-Epidemie verwendeten viele gewöhnliche Menschen ihre Handlungen, um eine Hymne der Liebe auf Erden zu komponieren. 1,4 Milliarden chinesische Söhne und Töchter haben sich zusammengeschlossen, um gegen die neue Kronenpneumonie-Epidemie zu kämpfen. Dies ist unser größtes Vertrauen in die Bekämpfung der Epidemie.
China erlaubt dem Teufel nicht, sich zu verstecken, China war immer offen, transparent und verantwortungsbewusst. "Die Epidemie ist der Teufel, und wir können den Teufel nicht verstecken lassen. Die chinesische Regierung hat die Informationen über die Epidemie immer rechtzeitig, offen, transparent und verantwortungsbewusst an das In- und Ausland weitergegeben. Zusammenarbeit mit der internationalen Gemeinschaft. "Während seines Treffens mit dem Generaldirektor der Weltgesundheitsorganisation, Tan Desai, erklärte Xi Jinping Chinas Position der Offenheit, Transparenz und verstärkten Zusammenarbeit.
Bei einem Telefonat mit dem südkoreanischen Präsidenten Moon Jae-in betonte Xi Jinping, dass Chinas strenge Präventions- und Kontrollmaßnahmen nicht nur der Sicherheit und Gesundheit des chinesischen Volkes dienen, sondern auch einen Beitrag zur öffentlichen Gesundheit der Welt leisten.
China hält stets am Konzept einer Gemeinschaft der gemeinsamen Zukunft für die Menschheit fest und ist für die Sicherheit und Gesundheit seiner Bevölkerung sowie für seine globale öffentliche Gesundheit verantwortlich. Die chinesische Seite informierte die relevanten Parteien über die epidemische Situation und teilte die virale Gensequenz rechtzeitig mit. "Wir haben große Anstrengungen unternommen, um die Ausbreitung der Epidemie weltweit wirksam zu verhindern", sagte Xi Jinping am Telefon mit dem britischen Premierminister Johnson.
Prionen benötigen keine Pässe und Infektionen kennen keine Grenzen. Die Epidemie ist eine häufige Herausforderung für die Menschheit.
"China hat starke Maßnahmen gegen die Epidemie ergriffen, die nicht nur für die Gesundheit seiner eigenen Bevölkerung verantwortlich sind, sondern auch zur öffentlichen Gesundheit der Welt beitragen, und wurde von der Weltgesundheitsorganisation und anderen Ländern auf der ganzen Welt voll und ganz bestätigt." Xi Jinping sprach mit dem malaysischen Premierminister Mahathir am Telefon Wies darauf hin.
Als Reaktion auf die Epidemie wird sich Chinas Festhalten an Offenheit, Transparenz und Zusammenarbeit niemals ändern.
Am 7. Februar betonte Xi Jinping während eines Gesprächs mit US-Präsident Trump, dass China nicht nur die Sicherheit und Gesundheit der Chinesen, sondern auch das Leben und die Gesundheit der Menschen auf der Welt schützt. Auf offene, transparente und verantwortungsvolle Weise haben wir die relevanten Länder und Regionen, einschließlich der WHO und der Vereinigten Staaten, rechtzeitig benachrichtigt.
Die Prävention und Bekämpfung von Epidemien ist ein Wettbewerb zwischen Menschen und Viren. In der Ära der Globalisierung von "Du hast mich, du hast mich" kann die Zusammenarbeit zur wirksamen Eindämmung der Ausbreitung der Epidemie das gemeinsame Wohlergehen aller Nationen schützen und es der gesamten Menschheit ermöglichen, den Frieden zu teilen. (Xinhuanet Pan Zihuan)

(Quelle: Xinhuanet, 21. Februar 2020)
Identifikationscode der Regierungswebsite: 4200000029


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news / Xi Jinping speech to the world
« on: February 22, 2020, 07:25:51 pm »
sounds to me like a propaganda speech during war
China's new openness transparency and cooperation , is it in general or only
in response to epidemics ?


[ it seems that they were not so successful to prevent the spread to other countries.
It could be that they did not consider this a Chinese problem.
Yes, it did spread to other Chinese Provinces as well, but you just realistically can't expect
other countries to implement the strong Chinese measures (at that time).
Remember, they even complained about USA reducing travel to China.
This could backfire to China, itself when we get a pandemic starting in Korea or Iran or such. ]



---------my excerts--------------
--- certainly will win the war against COVID
--- great effort, top priority
The firm confidence in defeating the epidemic stems from the superiority of the socialist system.
... national game of chess,
... hymn of love on earth.
China's miracle, China's power, and China's speed have once again attracted worldwide attention!
China does not allow the devil to hide,
Cooperation with the international community.
China always adheres to the concept of a community of shared future for mankind
In response to the epidemic, China's adherence to openness, transparency, and cooperation
will never change.


================================

Xinhuanet] Xi Jinping Passes Victory Confidence to World
[During the study] Since the outbreak of the new crown pneumonia epidemic, some national leaders and heads of international organizations have expressed condolences and support to China in fighting the epidemic through various means. In the conversation with President Xi Jinping, they introduced the current situation of epidemic prevention and control and expressed their confidence in winning the epidemic. Xinhua News Agency's "Learning in Progress" original brand column "Workshop" has published an article for you to interpret.
On the 20th, President Xi Jinping spoke to South Korean President Moon Jae-in and Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan at the appointment.
Xi Jinping emphasized that since the outbreak of the new crown pneumonia epidemic, the Chinese government has attached great importance to it, working hard to unite as one, and adopted the most comprehensive, strictest and most thorough prevention and control measures. After hard work, the situation of the epidemic has changed positively.
As the epidemic affects the world, leaders of some countries and heads of international organizations express condolences and support to China in fighting the epidemic in various ways.
Since late January, Xi Jinping has met with Director-General of the World Health Organization Tan Desai, visiting Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen, and Saudi King Salman, US President Trump, Indonesian President Joko, Qatar Emir Tamim Foreign leaders such as Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir, British Prime Minister Johnson and French President Macron spoke on the phone and introduced the current situation of the epidemic prevention and control, showed China's attitude towards the epidemic, and conveyed China's firm confidence in defeating the epidemic.
With all the hearts of the nation, China started a people's war. On January 28, Xi Jinping met with World Health Organization Director-General Tan Desai. He emphasized that the Chinese people are currently engaged in a serious struggle against the outbreak of pneumonia caused by the new coronavirus. People's lives and physical health are always the first priority, and prevention and control of epidemics is the most important task at present.
When meeting with Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen on February 5, Xi Jinping stressed that the Chinese party and government have adopted the most thorough and strict prevention and control measures in a highly responsible manner towards the Chinese people and the international community.
China started the People's War to prevent and control the new crown pneumonia epidemic. The Party Central Committee with Comrade Xi Jinping at its core is the "top command" of this people's war.
General Secretary Xi Jinping has presided over several meetings of the Standing Committee of the Political Bureau of the Communist Party of China Central Committee, made comprehensive arrangements to strengthen the prevention and control of the epidemic, established a central leadership team for epidemic response, unified leadership, unified command, and classified and guided the local work on epidemic prevention and control. Important requirements for winning the epidemic prevention and control stumbling block were made in time.
Under the order of the "Supreme Command", various party, government, military, and group agencies, enterprises, and other institutions rushed into action. One medical team after another quickly moved into Wuhan, and batches of war "epidemic" materials flooded into Hubei. The most stringent quarantine measures have been implemented in one city after another, and the vast number of cadres and masses have also acted ... The vast number of medical personnel have forgotten their lives to fight against time to save lives. The nation as a whole fought in unity, and the overall battle for epidemic prevention and control is in the vast China. The battle on the ground is rampant.
"Since the outbreak, China has acted as a nation, and the whole country has responded with all its strength. It has adopted the most thorough and strict prevention and control measures and started a people's war against epidemic prevention and control." On February 6, Xi Jinping and the Saudi King Lehman pointed out on the phone.
On February 11, Xi Jinping and Indonesian President Joko pointed out on the phone that we took advantage of the system to carry out the People's War on epidemic prevention and control, and adopted the strictest and most thorough prevention and control measures to achieve positive results.
On February 18, Xi Jinping and French President Macron spoke again on the phone and emphasized that since the outbreak, China has fully mobilized and deployed, united as a whole, and started a people's war to prevent and control the epidemic. China has a strong mobilization ability and comprehensive strength, and has experience in responding to public health events, and it will surely win the battle against epidemic prevention and control. At present, various prevention and control measures are achieving positive results.
To win this "war", China has the confidence and ability to fight the new crown pneumonia epidemic, which is currently a top priority for the Chinese government.
"With the hard work of the majority of medical staff and people of all ethnic groups throughout the country, the situation of the epidemic has begun to change positively. We are not only confident, capable, and confident to win the battle to prevent and control the epidemic, but also to minimise the impact , Strive to achieve this year's economic and social development goals and tasks. "Xi Jinping pointed out on the phone with Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan.
Xi Jinping spoke on the phone with Emir Tamim of Qatar and emphasized that relying on the unification of the Chinese people, the institutional advantages of focusing on major events, a strong material and technical foundation, and rich practical experience, we are confident, capable, and confident to fight Win this fight against epidemic prevention and control.
"With confidence and ability," Xi Jinping conveyed to the world China's firm confidence in defeating the epidemic.
坚定 The firm confidence in defeating the epidemic stems from the superiority of the socialist system. "There is no limit to what we can do." China has a strong ability to mobilize, adhere to a national game of chess, mobilize the polarities of all parties, and concentrate on major tasks. Under the unified leadership and unified command of the Party Central Committee with Comrade Xi Jinping at the core, various departments and departments in various places perform their duties and coordinate their actions. A large number of medical personnel across the country quickly gathered and assisted Wuhan; the builders fought day and night, and the Vulcan Hill and Raytheon Hospitals were quickly completed and delivered; the People's Army efficiently delivered epidemic prevention and control materials, and selected medical staff to participate in medical treatment; the company worked overtime Production, epidemic prevention and control of materials are dispatched nationwide ... China's miracle, China's power, and China's speed have once again attracted worldwide attention!
The firm confidence in defeating the epidemic stems from the heroic Chinese people. In the battle against the new crown pneumonia epidemic, many ordinary people used their actions to compose a hymn of love on earth. 1.4 billion Chinese sons and daughters joined together to fight against the new crown pneumonia epidemic. This is our greatest confidence in defeating the epidemic.
China does not allow the devil to hide, China has always been open, transparent, and responsible. "The epidemic is the devil, and we cannot let the devil hide. The Chinese government has always released the information of the epidemic to the domestic and foreign countries in a timely, open, transparent and responsible manner. Cooperation with the international community. "During his meeting with the Director-General of the World Health Organization, Tan Desai, Xi Jinping stated China's position of openness, transparency and enhanced cooperation.
When talking on the phone with President Moon Jae-in of South Korea, Xi Jinping emphasized that China's strong prevention and control measures are not only for the safety and health of the Chinese people, but also to contribute to the world's public health.
China always adheres to the concept of a community of shared future for mankind, and is responsible for the safety and health of its people, as well as its global public health cause. The Chinese side notified the relevant parties of the epidemic situation and shared the viral gene sequence in a timely manner. "We have made great efforts to effectively prevent the spread of the epidemic worldwide." Xi Jinping said on the phone with British Prime Minister Johnson.
Prions do not require passports and infections know no borders. The epidemic is a common challenge facing humanity.
"China has taken strong measures against the epidemic, not only responsible for the health of its own people, but also contributing to the world's public health, and has been fully affirmed by the World Health Organization and other countries in the world." Pointed out.
In response to the epidemic, China's adherence to openness, transparency, and cooperation will never change.
On February 7, Xi Jinping, during a call with U.S. President Trump, emphasized that China not only safeguards the safety and health of the Chinese people, but also the lives and health of the people of the world. In a open, transparent and responsible manner, we made timely notifications to relevant countries and regions including WHO and the United States.
Prevention and control of epidemic situation is a contest between humans and viruses. In the era of globalization of "you have me, you have me", working together to effectively curb the spread of the epidemic can protect the common well-being of all nations and enable all humanity to share peace. (Xinhuanet Pan Zihuan)
(Source: Xinhuanet, February 21, 2020)

42
Quom / situation in Iran
« on: February 21, 2020, 01:38:52 am »
I made a new subforum just for Quom, because this concerns me a lot ATM


China has it under control.
It's fresh in Korea and they are at it.
But Quom with 11 deaths already ....
Wuhan had 20 deaths until Jan23
Hubei Ex Wuhan had 21 deaths until Jan28
China Ex Hubei had 10 deaths until Jan31, 23 until Feb07
Wuhan has 11M population, Quom has 1.2M
So you see, where we are in Quom (too late)
Now, can Quom be isolated ? Will there be other Quoms ?

43
General Discussion / puzzled
« on: February 19, 2020, 08:08:00 pm »

puzzled
February 16th, 2020, 01:52 PM
I'm totally puzzled, what's going on.
It's obvious since ~Feb09 that cases in China are going down
and it becomes clearer every day.
Still flubies and experts and health officials and most reporters are ignoring this
and talk as if the pandemic thread were the same as in early Feb.
Why should Singapore or Japan or UK be a problem with just a few cases
when China could handle it with thousands of cases ?


February 16th, 2020, 02:29 PM
there are lots of papers that estimate the Chinese underreporting. Outside Hubei it
was a factor of 1.4 afair in a recent paper.
But it doesn't matter, we just observe the trend, not the total numbers.
Why should the underreporting have changed ? And in a way to produce
a stable downtrend ?
And no, you can't produce this deliberately. In all the provinces.
And the reporters are especially WHO do trust the numbers, reproduce them.
And those who talk about it do acknowledge that they are going down,
just that it's commonly ignored/avoided.

Well, some reporters say they are still going up, but they mean the cumulative
numbers which of course are increasing.


China ex Hubei ~1.5
Hubei ex Wuhan ~1.9
Wuhan~19 (Jan.29)

I read recently.

for the trend underreporting doesn't matter, unless they systematically change the level of underreporting over time


Statistical Inference for Coronavirus Infected Patients in Wuhan
Yong-Dao Zhou1, Jianghu (James) Dong2, *1
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...774v1.full.pdf



February 18th, 2020, 02:53 PM
you may remember Helen Branswell from our H5N1 discussions,
she writes (good) COVID articles now :
https://www.statnews.com/staff/helen-branswell/
Now I found that at twitter on Feb/09 she drew the chart of daily new cases in China and wrote:
> Chart of daily increases. Don't read too much into the decline; not sure what it means.

Well, it means no pandemic (yet).
On the same day I wrote in the German forum here :
let's get on our knees to praise this rare luck. While the wording was from a German
comedian, I was serious about it and it did express my feeling at that time.
The days after Jan.24 it had looked very bad to me .
So, why was Branswell so relaxed, indifferent ? She did seem to trust the Chinese numbers,
lists them frequently, discusses Chinese studies, saw many other epidemic charts before.
The numbers continued to go down but she didn't comment (afaics)
In her articles,tweets after Feb.9 she still sounded concerned, didn't mention the decline.

I'm puzzled.


February 18th, 2020, 03:17 PM
yesterday Zhong Nanshang estimates that the epidemic may stabilize by the end of April
He expects the peak in China by the end of February.
But that won't necessarily be the trend reversal.

He had earlier said on Feb02
I haven't looked at the data this morning
The number is rising now and the rising trend will continue for some time, but I'm sure it won't be long

On Jan.28 he said:
The novel coronavirus outbreak may reach its peak in the next 10 to 14 days,

and we didn't believe it. But the numbers now show it.

said on Sunday, amending his previous prediction on Jan 28 that the epidemic would
peak in seven or 10 days.

Prolonging the Spring Festival holidays, controlling traffic, temperature checks and education
as well as other government measures have effectively cut off the source of infection and
greatly reduced the spread of the virus,

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so, why does he now say it peaks end Feb, when it had already peaked ?
As he had predicted.
It would go up for a second peak ?
Maybe due to people returning to work ? No, he said that would probably have little impact.
So what is it ?

And then it will peak and not go down after that until late April ???

I'm puzzled

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I found this :


Feb18, Human-to-human transmission has not been stopped in Wuhan: Zhong Nanshan
Zhong Nanshan on Tuesday warned the public to keep their waste pipes unobstructed as the novel coronavirus may spread through drainage systems.

Xinhua, Feb.12 , Zhong Nanshan said the epidemic peak should appear in mid-to-late February,
but the inflection point is still undetermined.

Zhong Nanshan on Feb.12
http://www.ecns.cn/news/society/2020...h6522839.shtml
they show the same picture as in the Feb.17 article , so did he say this
already on Feb.12 and just recalled it on Feb17 without looking at the new data
in all his traveling stress ?
Maybe just only adding the April-forecast after speaking with the modeler
[see below]

> The much-anticipated turning point of the novel coronavirus outbreak cannot be prediced

5 days later on Feb17 he could predict it

> There is a mathematics model, which is continuously being rectified according to the real
> situation, and climate factors are being considered.

aha, some secret Chinese math. modeling software program
which includes climate factors. Something that Western researchers claim
to be impossible

> Currently the new confirmed cases show a decreasing trend, and the mathematics
> model predicted that the turning point will arrive in mid- or late-February in southern China,

## at that time it had already peaked in Southern China.
## but only a few datapoints available, so with statistical uncertainety, "errorbar"
## they may have required the common 95% statistical errorbar

## and the April national prediction may be because it includes Wuhan,
## which "Southern China" does not

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...hina_map-1.png

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General Discussion / secret Chinese pandemic plan ?
« on: February 19, 2020, 08:01:43 pm »

secret Chinese pandemic plan ?
Today, 12:51 AM
it seems to me that the Chinese were prepared for this situation, but that it was all secret.
The quarantines, the math. modeling that Zhong frequently refers to, the mobile hospitals
and medical crews - the whole pandemic plan.
They may have developed it with the H5N1-threat in 2005.or with the
SARS-experience in 2003 or H1N1 in 2009 or H7N9 in 2013 .
And it may have been the military which played the major role in this,
that would explain the secrecy.
They knew that it would likely work or might well work when they implemented
the quarantine on Jan23. Despite all the Western studies and modelings by
Ferguson, Longini etc.
And they knew exactly what to do, who was responsible for what task, how and when
to close the roads, airports, where to isolate the suspected people and such.

Now, they are still keeping all this secret, but questions will be asked ...
The world wants to learn from the Chinese experience, there will be
(more ) studies about the outbreak and these can't so well keep
the existing Chinese pandemic plans secret since they are important
for the overall conclusions and recommendations.

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